Amide-Imide protonation problem

User 485e8f7960

02-02-2015 14:12:01

We are having a problem with some molecules which are generated as imines or imidic acid instead of amines. 

This happens with all inputs in the local Java API but is reproducible with Chemicalize.org with the InChI string. Note: the InChI string is generated from the Smiles by chemicalize. Using the corrected one (having fixed hydrogens) the error dissapears but the displayed InChI string is trunctated to the previous one. 


Smiles

[H]C(N(C(=O)C(N)CC1=CNC=N1)C1=CC=C(Br)C=C1C)C(=O)NCCCC(N)=O

http://www.chemicalize.org/structure/#!mol=%5BH%5DC%28N%28C%28%3DO%29C%28N%29CC1%3DCNC%3DN1%29C1%3DCC%3DC%28Br%29C%3DC1C%29C%28%3DO%29NCCCC%28N%29%3DO&source=calculate


InChI original

InChI=1/C19H25BrN6O3/c1-12-7-13(20)4-5-16(12)26(10-18(28)24-6-2-3-17(22)27)19(29)15(21)8-14-9-23-11-25-14/h4-5,7,9,11,15H,2-3,6,8,10,21H2,1H3,(H2,22,27)(H,23,25)(H,24,28)

http://www.chemicalize.org/structure/#!mol=InChI%3D1%2FC19H25BrN6O3%2Fc1-12-7-13%2820%294-5-16%2812%2926%2810-18%2828%2924-6-2-3-17%2822%2927%2919%2829%2915%2821%298-14-9-23-11-25-14%2Fh4-5%2C7%2C9%2C11%2C15H%2C2-3%2C6%2C8%2C10%2C21H2%2C1H3%2C%28H2%2C22%2C27%29%28H%2C23%2C25%29%28H%2C24%2C28%29&source=fp


InChI with fixed hydrogens

InChI=1/C19H25BrN6O3/c1-12-7-13(20)4-5-16(12)26(10-18(28)24-6-2-3-17(22)27)19(29)15(21)8-14-9-23-11-25-14/h4-5,7,9,11,15H,2-3,6,8,10,21H2,1H3,(H2,22,27)(H,23,25)(H,24,28)/f/h23-24H,22H2

http://www.chemicalize.org/structure/#!mol=InChI%3D1%2FC19H25BrN6O3%2Fc1-12-7-13%2820%294-5-16%2812%2926%2810-18%2828%2924-6-2-3-17%2822%2927%2919%2829%2915%2821%298-14-9-23-11-25-14%2Fh4-5%2C7%2C9%2C11%2C15H%2C2-3%2C6%2C8%2C10%2C21H2%2C1H3%2C%28H2%2C22%2C27%29%28H%2C23%2C25%29%28H%2C24%2C28%29%2Ff%2Fh23-24H%2C22H2&source=calculate


It happens when we, by example call to run() method in StereoIsomer plugin, of Tautomerization plugin, or Pka plugin.


Regards!

ChemAxon 044c6721bc

03-02-2015 12:32:33

I moved this to the approapriate forum, someone will respond soon.

ChemAxon d51151248d

05-02-2015 15:12:42










leandro.radusky wrote:

We are having a problem with some molecules which are generated as imines or imidic acid instead of amines. 

This happens with all inputs in the local Java API but is reproducible with Chemicalize.org with the InChI string. Note: the InChI string is generated from the Smiles by chemicalize. Using the corrected one (having fixed hydrogens) the error dissapears but the displayed InChI string is trunctated to the previous one. 


Smiles

[H]C(N(C(=O)C(N)CC1=CNC=N1)C1=CC=C(Br)C=C1C)C(=O)NCCCC(N)=O



InChI original

InChI=1/C19H25BrN6O3/c1-12-7-13(20)4-5-16(12)26(10-18(28)24-6-2-3-17(22)27)19(29)15(21)8-14-9-23-11-25-14/h4-5,7,9,11,15H,2-3,6,8,10,21H2,1H3,(H2,22,27)(H,23,25)(H,24,28)



InChI with fixed hydrogens

InChI=1/C19H25BrN6O3/c1-12-7-13(20)4-5-16(12)26(10-18(28)24-6-2-3-17(22)27)19(29)15(21)8-14-9-23-11-25-14/h4-5,7,9,11,15H,2-3,6,8,10,21H2,1H3,(H2,22,27)(H,23,25)(H,24,28)/f/h23-24H,22H2



It happens when we, by example call to run() method in StereoIsomer plugin, of Tautomerization plugin, or Pka plugin.


Regards!


Dear Leandro, 


We have managed to reproduce the problem and we will fix it soon.


Best regards, 


Daniel


 

User 485e8f7960

12-03-2015 20:36:51

hello,


 


no news about this?


 


Regards, Leandro

ChemAxon d51151248d

25-03-2015 16:07:50

Dear Leandro,


Sorry for the late answer, but we needed time to discuss this issue. 


Chemicalize.org is not under development at the moment, therefore we are not going to put out new features for the calculations. The options of the calculations on chemicalize.org are just some of the all available ones, and we recommend you to try MarvinSketch, if you want all.


Please apply for an evaluation license for MarvinSketch.


Daniel 

User 485e8f7960

25-03-2015 16:13:33

Our problem is that, in our opinion, the results in chemicalize are ok and the api results are wrong, but we can not reproduce de chemicalize results in the api.


We are wrong?


Regards,


Leandro

ChemAxon d51151248d

01-04-2015 14:16:24

Dear Leandro, 


We can't really understand your problem based on the description. Can you please give us a detailed description of your use case? What did you calculate? What was your input? What do you want as an output? What was the problem?


Daniel